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WATER QUALITY


Trout and other aquatic creatures that live in our lakes require good quality clean water in order to survive, with an adequate amount of oxygen dissolved in the water probably being the most important factor in determining their wellbeing, although other factors, for instance, nitrate and phosphate levels can have an effect. The question of the pH levels of our waters has been raised in the past as our stock fish come from a supplier whose water has a high value. The pH is a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of the water, a low number being acid, higher numbers more alkaline, with pH7 being neutral. Fortunately trout are fairly tolerant of the pH levels and can survive quite well in low values, although waters with lower levels will not produce the weed growth and invertebrate numbers to provide adequate food for the fish which therefore tend to be small in consequence. A high pH on the other hand, leads to plentiful weed and invertebrate life for fish to feed on and they do better and grow larger in such waters. Measurements of the pH in our lake waters in 2012 gave an average value of around pH7.5, which is fine, being much the same as rainwater and there is no reason to suppose that it will have changed very much since then.

In the summer months at times of high air temperatures and with little rain to refresh the waters, we make measurements of the temperature and dissolved oxygen levels of the water in the lakes, which is important in ensuring the survival of our expensive stocked fish, and if conditions are particularly poor delay or postpone any additional stocking until things improve. Measuring this dissolved oxygen is a good indicator of water quality; however the level will change, not only from season to season or day by day, but even hourly, dependant on several varying factors.

Water temperature has a significant effect on the dissolved oxygen level, the higher the temperature the less oxygen can be held in solution. At standard pressure, at sea level, fully saturated pure fresh water, can have a maximum dissolved oxygen level at zero oC of 14.6 milligrams per litre; at 5oC 12.8 mg/l; at 10oC 11.3 mg/l, at 15oC 10.1 mg/l, at 20oC 9.1 mg/l and at 25oC 8.2 mg/l. Atmospheric pressure also plays a part, high pressure leading to higher levels while low pressure allows the oxygen to escape, much the same effect as one sees when opening a bottle or can of fizzy drink, when the pressure is suddenly reduced and the carbon dioxide previously held in solution instantly explodes.

Decaying plant or animal matter and pollution all consume oxygen as they degrade which can lead to disastrous consequences, particularly when hot weather and low pressure combine. Chemical salts dissolved in the water also reduce the level, which is why seawater holds less oxygen than fresh.

Although it behaves like most other fluids, which increase in density the colder they are, eventually freezing into their solid form, water is a funny old substance, being unusual as its maximum density occurs at 4oC, while it is still in a liquid state. Hence in still water, when the air temperature is lower than the water temperature, the surface layers are cooled and as a consequence they sink, being replaced by warmer water, which again cools and sinks. In really cold conditions, with air temperatures at or below 4oC, this process will be repeated, until eventually all the water in the lake is at this temperature. Should the weather conditions remain below 4oC  for a further period, the surface layers will then cool to below this level, becoming less & less dense the colder they get, yet still remaining at the surface, which is why, when air temperatures drop to zero or below, ice forms at the surface. Water is a relatively poor conductor of heat, so while the surface layers could be at zero or even lower, a few inches down the water temperature may still be 4oC . Obviously, the longer the cold spell the greater the cooling effect on the surface layers and the thicker the ice, but one wouldn’t need to go very deep to find the 4oC level. Being a cold water fish, rainbow trout are quite happy in such conditions and can still provide good sport even when ice is covering the water.

However, when air temperatures increase above the 4oC  mark, the surface layers are heated, become less dense and therefore, in still water, without significant wind or wave action, remain at the surface and dependant on the air temperature, become warmer all the time, with as a consequence, a much reduced oxygen content, while a little deeper it is still much cooler with a good oxygen levels. Indeed, some very deep lakes, provided water movement is minimal, may have areas where the water temperature remains a constant 4oC  all the time, although the oxygen content at these depths may well be depleted. This might also explain why trout tend to go deeper in hot bright weather, as they seek the best oxygen conditions, rather than the idea that as they have no eyelids they don’t like the brightness. During high summer, with bright sunlight conditions and high air and water temperatures, the fish will tend to seek these deeper areas, lying doggo and not really interested in our flies, the best chance of any success being either early morning or late in the evening when conditions are cooler and light values much lower.

Rainbow trout are happiest when the water temperature is around 10oC , grow best around 15oC  and become uncomfortable at 20oC , temperatures higher than this proving fatal.

Oxygen gets into the water in several ways. Some is absorbed at the water / air interface, where wind and wave action also improve matters and although rain helps, much of the remainder is produced by photosynthesis of the plants and algae present in the water, which produce oxygen during daylight hours, but unfortunately also absorb oxygen and release carbon dioxide during the night.

As a consequence of this photosynthesis, given adequate daylight, the dissolved oxygen level will be highest in the early afternoon and at their lowest at first light, when, even if daylight readings appear adequate, the dawn levels may well be below that necessary to ensure survival of our fish. For this reason, when conditions are suspect, dissolved oxygen tests should be carried out at the crack of dawn. A level of 4mg/l is the absolute minimum required by our trout, which require higher levels than many coarse fish, notably carp and tench, which can survive when the dissolved oxygen is as low as 2mg/l.

In the past, our good friends of the Ouse and Adur Rivers Trust have carried out occasional water quality testing of our lakes, providing results for several different parameters, including dissolved oxygen and temperature.

However, these tests are all relatively expensive, quite time consuming and as the tests are carried out off site and some time after water samples are taken from the lakes, there is a possibly of changes occurring during this delay period. It is also not practical to make frequent checks on a regular basis.

We therefore purchased our own dissolved oxygen meter and although a relatively inexpensive piece of kit, this has enabled us to make regular checks of oxygen and temperature and postpone stocking should water conditions suggest that it would be unwise. 

Water temperature readings are made on the bottom in about 3 to 4 feet of water. At the surface they are usually some 2 or 3 degrees or so higher and one would expect them to be a few degrees cooler the deeper one goes. Dissolved oxygen readings are made at the surface as one needs to keep a flow of water across the sensor probe to obtain a valid measurement.

The results of Water Quality checks on the lakes are shown below.


 

8th August 2024 - Water Quality Results

During the warm summer months, without any worthwhile rain to speak of, since the beginning of June, our worthy Chairman Kevin Reeves has been monitoring the water quality of all the lakes, taking readings for the water temperature and dissolved oxygen levels, as temperatures above 20 degrees C are uncomfortable for trout and can be fatal at 25, the readings generally being made at a depth of around 120mm below the surface.

With in general daytime temperatures below normal for the summer months, water temperatures have been below the 20 degrees C mark and until recently there has been some flow in the feeder streams, with dissolved oxygen levels remaining more than adequate for the welfare of the fish. However a warm spell at the end of June, with air temperatures in the mid to high twenties, resulted in water temperatures over 20 and although oxygen levels remained good, stocking was suspended.

Temperatures then dropped, but then, at the end of July, we have had heatwave conditions for a couple of days, with air temperatures in the mid to high twenties, virtually no flow in the feeder streams and water temperatures climbing as high as 22.4oC. Thankfully oxygen levels have remained adequate and as far as we know, there have been no fish lost.

Since then, on the 1st August, we had a serious amount of rain in a short time in the area, resulting in flash flooding at Cinder Hill as reported in the Notices Page and we will have to wait and see what effect this will have on the lakes when everything has settled back down..


 

Water Quality Results 2023

Throughout the hot dry summer months, without any worthwhile rain to speak of, commencing in May, our worthy Chairman Kevin Reeves has monitored the water quality of all the lakes, taking readings for the water temperature and dissolved oxygen levels, as temperatures above 20 degrees C are uncomfortable for trout and can be fatal at 25, the readings generally being made at a depth of around 120mm below the surface.

During May. both parameters were well within limits, the highest water temperature of 18.4oC being recorded in the top lake at Piplye, while the lowest oxygen level was 6.7mg/l in the bottom lake, again at Piplye.

In June, when daytime air temperatures reached as high as 27oC and with virtually no flow in the feeder streams, things were somewhat different, with water temperatures in all the waters exceeding 20oC, reaching a high of 25.6oC in the bottom lake at Cinder Hill, with the result that oxygen levels were much reduced, the lowest recorded being just 3.4mg/l, again in the bottom lake at Piplye, with the reading varying between 4 and 7.5mg/l on all the other waters. As a consequence, although very few fish died and fish were being caught, no fresh stock were introduced in Piplye and catch and release fishing was stopped.

Similar conditions carried on through July, with the water temperature remaining around the 20oC mark and oxygen levels generally around 6 to 8 mg/l, apart from the bottom lake at Piplye, although the weather did cool off a bit and there was some rain towards the end of the month, the colder water leading to an increase in oxygen levels.

At the beginning of August we had a couple of days with very low barometric pressure and quite a bit of rain, giving some increase in the flow of the feeder streams, but the water temperatures remained around the 20oC mark, although oxygen levels remained adequate, but we did lose a few fish early in the month, possibly due to the sudden pressure reduction and resultant drop in dissolved oxygen.

Then, at the start of September, we had another heat wave and water temperatures climbed to some 2 or 3 degrees above the 20oC mark, yet despite the flow in the feeder streams all but drying up, the oxygen levels remained O.K. at between 5 and 8 mg/l, although fish were seen to be in distress at times.

Come October, although flow in the feeder streams remained minimal, cooler weather allowed the water temperatures to drop to around 17oC, with oxygen levels around 6 to 7mg/l in all the lakes.

The readings were mostly made mid morning or around mid day, after the sun had been shining for several hours and it was noticeable that the higher oxygen readings came from the waters having a lot of weed growth, where photosynthesis was taking place, while the lowest values more often than not came from the bottom lake at Piplye, where there is little weed and no doubt the presence of the carp have a significant effect. Had the measurements been made at first light, one would expect the oxygen levels in the weedy waters to be much lower as reverse photosynthesis takes place overnight, the weed then absorbing the dissolved oxygen and releasing carbon dioxide.

Never the less, we got away fairly lightly as far as fish losses were concerned compared with some other fisheries, but the trend of hot, dry summers is perhaps something we shall have to get used to as global warming takes effect.


 

17th September 2022 - Stocking Resumed

Cinder Hill lakes are now stocked and conditions look much more favourable than in recent weeks when water quality was too poor to introduce new fish. Piplye will be stocked later next week.

Although we experienced some fish fatalities during the heatwave, we fared well compared to some other trout fisheries and there are still fish in most lakes that survived the summer conditions, most notably the top lakes at Piplye and Cinder Hill, so there should be some good fishing from now on.

Conditions are now good to enable us to resume our regular stocking plan until the end of the season.

Tight lines,

Kevin Reeves,  Chairman.


 

Water Quality Results 2022

Water Quality & Stocking Update,  5 September 2022

This year we have seen and experienced the hottest summer since 1976 with record high temperatures and as we all know this has had an effect on our lakes . We advised recently that Cinder Hill middle lake had lost a number of fish, and this is currently closed until the situation improves. The bottom lake at Cinder Hill has a lot of blue/green algae and shouldn't be fished either. However, there are still fish in all of the other lakes, but they will be hard to catch under current conditions.

Current water temperatures are hovering around 19-21 degrees C, still too dangerous to introduce new stock.

The recent rainfall has helped to re-oxygenate the water and start to show positive improvements and with more rain forecast for this coming week in conjunction with cooler nights and lower daytime temperatures we can only hope conditions will further improve.

Please be assured that we are in regular contact with our stockist and are aiming hopefully to introduce some fresh fish in just under 2 weeks time if conditions allow.

Water Quality Report, 21 August 2022

Due to the continued dry weather and high temperatures, the lakes have deteriorated further since the last report. Even the recent heavy rain and thunderstorms over Horsted Keynes have not improved conditions very much, although there is now a trickle of water over the splash at Cinder Hill where it had been completely dry. This has helped a little with the top lake but there is no flow into the middle or bottom lakes.

We have been conducting water quality checks every 2 or 3 days since the hot weather began and over the past few days checks have been carried out daily. The middle lake at Cinder Hill is of particular concern as the water is a muddy brown colour with very little oxygen, so little in fact that we have seen a high number of trout deaths in that lake. We therefore advise that fishing in the middle lake is suspended until further notice. Fishing in the top and bottom lake is currently possible but the expectation is that you will be lucky to catch even one fish at the moment.

The top and middle lakes at Piplye are faring better. The water is fairly clear and we have seen trout foraging in the margins. We have also seen one or two dead trout but this is quite common during these hot and dry summer months.

Let us hope that we get some decent rainfall before too long to freshen up the lakes such that we can recommence stocking.

Water Quality Report, 1 August 2022

Further checks were made on the 23rd and 24th July with air temperatures now much lower at around 21oC.

With still no rain, there is no water flow through the lakes and water levels on some of the waters are some 12 to 14 inches below where they should be.

Water temperatures have been measured at between 22.7oC and 25.8oC, with dissolved oxygen between a low of 4.4mg/l in the middle lake at Cinder Hill, to the highest at 9.3mg/l in the top lake at Piplye.

We have suffered one or two losses, but so far the fish seem to be surviving O.K.

Water Quality Report, 21 July 2022

With all the hot weather we are now experiencing and with no rainfall for weeks there is no flow through the lakes, those at Cinder Hill taking on a brown tinge while those at Piplye are faring a little better with fairly clear water despite the lack of flow, so frequent checks of the water quality in all the lakes have been carried out at regular intervals.

With strong sun and air temperatures at times approaching 40oC, it is no surprise that we have measured water temperatures of up to 26.4oC at the surface, with it a couple of degrees or so lower at depth.

Fortunately dissolved oxygen levels have remained o.k. apart from the middle lake at Cinder Hill on the 15th July when the measured reading dropped to 3.9mg/l, which could prove fatal to trout and the aerator was deployed twice to try and improve the situation. Thankfully by the 17th the level had increased to a safer 7mg/l. The latest readings made on the 20th, following two days of extreme air temperatures, were surprisingly very similar to those reported earlier, as we were understandingly expecting far worse, the lowest oxygen reading at 5.5mg/l again being on the middle lake at Cinder Hill, which should still be just o.k. given a water temperature of 24.8oC.

As far as we know, we have so far suffered few losses, with the situation overall is not as bad as we might have expected and if the temperatures fall enough over the next few days we might be o.k. The issue then will be the oxygen levels.

We will continue to monitor the situation closely and keep members posted on the current state of play.

We can see from the catch return sheets that few members have ventured out during these hot days and with the hot weather, the wise members are better off supping a cold drink in the shade rather than getting heat stroke trying for uninterested trout.

Even when the temperatures drop and as there has been no rain for weeks with no flow through the lakes to refresh the waters, it will take a long time for the lakes to cool down.

Once temperatures drop, very early morning or late evening should be the best time to try for a fish or two. Let's hope we have some cooler weather soon and a decent amount of rain.

Water Quality Report, June 2022

With the advent of the warmer summer weather and very little real rain to speak of to refresh the waters and boost the flows in the feeder streams, regular checks of water quality in respect of temperature and dissolved oxygen have been carried out on all the lakes at Cinder Hill and Piplye over the past two months and the results are summarized below.

A dissolved oxygen level of 4 mg/litre is the absolute minimum required for trout to survive, while water temperatures above 20oC are uncomfortable for the species and can be fatal at 25oC and above.

In all cases the temperature and dissolved oxygen readings were made at approx 120 mm depth and between the hours of 10:30am to 2:30pm.

During May, with the air temperature between 18.6 to 20.9oC, there was very little flow in the feeder streams, water temperatures varied between 14.2 and 17.1oC and the dissolved oxygen varying from 6.3 to 14.7 mg/litre, giving no problem for the fish. Interestingly, both the lowest and highest oxygen were from the middle lake at Piplye.

In June, with air temperatures between 15.3 to 17.1oC, with again minimal flow in the feeder streams, those at Piplye not flowing at all towards the end of the month, water temperatures were between 19 and 22.5oC, with the dissolved oxygen varying from 5.5 to 12.7 mg/litre, the lowest oxygen readings coming from all three lakes at Cinder Hill. As a consequence, all catch and release fishing was terminated for this season.

So far we have not seen any evidence of fish in trouble, but members are requested to contact us as soon as possible should they see signs of fish in difficulty.

We will continue to monitor water quality throughout the hot summer months and no stocking will take place should we consider it unwise in view of the water conditions.


 

Water Quality Results 2021

Water Quality Report, September 2021

Throughout the summer, regular water quality readings have been carried out on the lakes at both Cinder Hill and Piplye.

Thankfully, apart from two or three really hot spells, the weather has generally been on the cool side and, although it seems to have come in spasms, we have had sufficient rain to keep the ground waters topped up and the feeder streams flowing.

Water temperatures have generally remained below 20oC, aside from the hot spells of weather in June, July and the present, with air temperatures sometimes approaching the high twenties, when the water temperature at the surface reached a high in excess of 25oC on two or three occasions. However, at depth, they were generally some 4 or 5 degrees lower giving some respite to our precious fish.

Despite the high water temperatures at times, the dissolved oxygen levels have remained good throughout the year, never imposing any threat to the wellbeing of the fish and as far as we can tell there have been very few losses.


 

Water Quality Results 2020

 

Water Quality Report, 27th May 2020

Due to all the hot dry weather we have experienced of late, with no rain to speak of to refresh the lakes and little sign of any change in the foreseeable future, water quality readings for all the Cinder Hill Fly Fishing lakes were made on the 27th May 2020, with the following results:

Weather: Dry, 60/40 sun/cloud, light breeze.

Piplye; Time: 9:40pm, Air temperature 27oC. Very little flow in the feeder streams.

Top Pool: Water temperature 21oC at depth, dissolved oxygen 12.2 mg/l. Water quite coloured. Water level several inches below the outlet cill. No sign of fish.

Middle Pool: 20.3oC at depth, O2 12.1 mg/l. Quite coloured. Slight flow, One dead trout removed from the water.

Bottom Pool: 18.2oC at depth, O2 12.6 mg/l. Coloured as usual. Water flowing out of the outlet monk. One sickly trout on surface. Carp present as usual.

Cinder Hill; Time: 11:30am, Air temperature 27.3oC. Still some flow in the feeder stream.

Top Pool: Water temperature 18.8oC at depth, dissolved oxygen 7.7 mg/l. Water clear, occasional  fish showing.

Middle Pool: 20.3oC at depth, O2 5.5 mg/l. Some colour in the water. No fish showing.

Bottom Pool: 21oC at depth, O2 5.6 mg/l. Water clear. Fish rising.

As usual temperatures at depth were taken on the bottom in about 3 to 4 foot of water. At the surface they were a degree or so higher and one would expect them to be a few degrees cooler the deeper one goes.

While the oxygen levels at Piplye appear fine, the temperatures are of some concern as trout are unhappy when it gets above 20oC.

At Cinder Hill, apart from the Top Pool, where conditions still seem acceptable, the middle and bottom lakes are a worry, with higher water temperatures and very low oxygen readings, as 6mg/l is considered the minimum for trout to survive, although the fish don’t seem to know that, as in the Bottom Pool they were rising freely taking food of the surface, with no signs of distress.

In view of the water conditions, all catch and release has now been suspended.


 

Water Quality Results 2019

 

Water Quality Report, 13th August 2019

Weather: Dry, 50/50 sun/cloud, light westerly breeze.

Piplye; Time: 17:00pm, Air temperature 23 oC in shade, Feeder streams virtually dry.

Top Pool: Water temperature 19.7 oC at depth, dissolved O2 9.8 mg/l. Water quite coloured, probably due to carp activity.  Quite a bit of weed showing. No flow, water level several inches below the outlet cill. No sign of fish other than the carp.

Middle Pool: 18.7 oC at depth, O2 10.8 mg/l. Clear but tea coloured. No flow, water level below the outlet monk. No sign of fish other than one sickly trout.

Bottom Pool: 19.7 oC at depth, O2 9.8 mg/l. Coloured as usual. Surprisingly, water was flowing out of the outlet monk. No sign of fish, not even the carp.

Cinder Hill; Time: 18:00pm, Air temperature 19.1 oC in the shade. Reasonable flow in the feeder stream.

Top Pool: Water temperature 18.6 oC at depth, dissolved O2 9.3 mg/l. Water clear, occasional fish showing.

Middle Pool: 17.9 oC at depth, O2 8.7 mg/l. Water clear but tea coloured, no fish showing.

Bottom Pool: 18.2 oC at depth, O2 7.7 mg/l. Water clear but tea coloured, no fish showing.

All the readings were taken at the worst possible time of day, when both temperature and dissolved oxygen would be approaching their highest value

With the cooler weather & rain we have experienced lately the temperatures have come down to levels which should not threaten the trout & with the forecast for the next week or so being for similar conditions, there shouldn't be any cause for concern.

 

Water Quality Report, 11th July 2019

With the hot weather we have experienced over recent days and little sign of any significant rain, water quality checks of all the lakes were made on the 11th July 2019, with the following results:

Piplye; Time: 16:45pm, Air temperature 23.4 oC in shade, 50/50 sun/cloud, light westerly breeze. Feeder streams dry.

Top Pool: Water temperature 23.8 oC at depth, dissolved O2 10.1 mg/l. Clear, but scum on surface. No flow, water level several inches below the outlet cill. No sign of fish other than the carp.

Middle Pool: 20.8 oC at depth, O2 10.3 mg/l. Clear. No flow, water level a couple of inches below the outlet monk. No sign of fish.

Bottom Pool: 21.2 oC at depth, O2 12.7 mg/l. Coloured, but not quite as much as usual. Surprisingly, water was flowing out of the outlet monk. No sign of fish other than the carp.

Cinder Hill; Time: 17:45pm, Air temperature 25 oC in the shade, 50/50 sun/cloud, light westerly breeze, merest trickle in the feeder stream.

Top Pool: Water temperature 22.6 oC at depth, dissolved O2 8.6 mg/l. Water clear, no fish showing.

Middle Pool: 21.4 oC at depth, O2 8.5 mg/l. Clear, no fish showing other than one dead one.

Bottom Pool: 21.2 oC at depth, O2 7.7 mg/l. Very clear, no fish showing.

All the readings were taken at the worst possible time of day, when both temperature and dissolved O2 would be approaching their highest value. Early in the morning at first light it could be a different matter with O2 levels 2 or 3 mg/l lower as the dissolved O2 is absorbed by the weed during darkness hours to produce CO2.

As was to be expected, water temperatures have now increased to the levels when trout, especially rainbows, which are a cold water fish, will be feeling extremely uncomfortable. Hopefully they will be able to find cooler water in the deeper areas of the lakes, where they will probably sulk, showing little interest in feeding or attacking artificial flies. Surprisingly the dissolved O2 levels appear O.K., although the values for Cinder Hill are possibly a bit marginal, as readings a couple of mg/l or so lower would put the levels dangerously close to the  minimum trout need to survive.

 

              

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Updated December 2023